Will there be a summer 2024 bombshell? (2024)

Post: #61

(06-07-2024 08:39 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:

(06-07-2024 07:50 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote: [quote='PeteTheChop' pid='19625249' dateline='1717763211']
Miami was Indy for so long so I don't see the ACC fit other than playing old Big East schools.

Frankenconferences are seldom a good fit for more than just a few members. Basically a bunch of hermit crabs looking for a shell.

SEC would be by far the best option for the Canes, but it's not hard to recognize why Sankey would pass

I'm not so sure about that.

Miami is still a solid ratings generating program despite the lack of overall success. The Miami metro is still one of the largest in the country and they will engage with the Canes whenever they're decent. I'm with JR on this one...having all 3 FL schools in the same league creates some major TV battles reminiscent of the 80s and 90s games that were must-see TV. That and I can't look past the idea of the Magnificent Seven. There's a reason those schools were cooperating and there's a reason the story got out even if most everyone has gone quiet since that time.

The debate for me is the 8th school to accompany the Mag 7 and the timing, of course.

Post: #62

Well, as long as it's the season...
What if these four schools are all off to the same P2 destination?

California
Clemson
Florida State
North Carolina

These are the schools that did not attend the ACC's Zoom meeting in which the conference held a retroactive vote to validate its NC lawsuit against Florida State.

The Cal Golden Bears are not in the Magnificent 7 group named last summer or even, yet, an ACC member school at all. The new affiliation is due to start on August 1.

The deadline for ACC schools to give notice of any intention to leave in 2025: August 15.

(This post was last modified: 06-08-2024 12:49 AM by Gitanole.)

Post: #63

(06-08-2024 12:41 AM)Gitanole Wrote: Well, as long as it's the season...
What if these four schools are all off to the same P2 destination?

California
Clemson
Florida State
North Carolina

These are the schools that did not attend the ACC's Zoom meeting in which the conference held a retroactive vote to validate its NC lawsuit against Florida State.

The Cal Golden Bears are not in the Magnificent 7 group named last summer or even, yet, an ACC member school at all. The new affiliation is due to start on August 1.

The deadline for ACC schools to give notice of any intention to leave in 2025: August 15.

I would love to bite on this rumor...but Cal? C'mon. Cal?

If you inserted Stanford in there, I'd say it's about 50% more believable.

The only...and I mean, only, rationale for taking Cal is if you're somehow scheming to add Stanford and Notre Dame together as schools 23 and 24 (the Big Ten).

There's no way the SEC could be the conference adding those 4 schools...Cal as the lone school west of Texas? Eh. No.

Post: #64

(06-07-2024 08:39 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:

(06-07-2024 07:50 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote: [quote='PeteTheChop' pid='19625249' dateline='1717763211']
Miami was Indy for so long so I don't see the ACC fit other than playing old Big East schools.

Frankenconferences are seldom a good fit for more than just a few members. Basically a bunch of hermit crabs looking for a shell.

SEC would be by far the best option for the Canes, but it's not hard to recognize why Sankey would pass

You know, if you want to keep hermit crabs, it's best to keep ones of different sizes. That way, they don't fight over the same shells.

Post: #65

(06-07-2024 06:14 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote: We’ve had them the past three summers.

2021 - Texas/Oklahoma to the SEC
2022 - USC/UCLA to the B1G
2023 - Pac 12 shatters

Boise to the Big XII. (In before DavidSt?)

Post: #66

(06-07-2024 06:10 PM)cubucks Wrote:

(06-07-2024 04:04 PM)JRsec Wrote:

(06-07-2024 03:31 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:

(06-07-2024 03:12 PM)JRsec Wrote: Lot's of spectacular claims the majority of which doesn't pass the procedural or legal sniff test, but the NFL?

B1G fans are oozing with confidence after celebrating their once-a-decade football championship in January.

Can you imagine how they'll be if the B1G ends a 25-year drought in men's basketball next April?

Ha! And they had to overlook Harbaugh's transgressions to get it. That's okay it keeps things interesting. As to next year, is Eady staying at Purdue?

Hey, I still like the troll angle I tossed out about the SEC taking USF and Miami so they can claim they are only taking AAU schools in Florida. Oh the irony!

It'll be Occam's razor again. The simplest most obvious moves could happen and then all eyes will be on UNC to see if it stops or explodes.

That's hilarious coming from an Auburn guy. The only thing funnier would be an LSU fan making that claim.

And that coming from a tOSU guy (anyone remember Tressel?)

Post: #67

(06-08-2024 12:41 AM)Gitanole Wrote: Well, as long as it's the season...
What if these four schools are all off to the same P2 destination?

California
Clemson
Florida State
North Carolina

These are the schools that did not attend the ACC's Zoom meeting in which the conference held a retroactive vote to validate its NC lawsuit against Florida State.

The Cal Golden Bears are not in the Magnificent 7 group named last summer or even, yet, an ACC member school at all. The new affiliation is due to start on August 1.

The deadline for ACC schools to give notice of any intention to leave in 2025: August 15.

It could be that they might have a complication due to UCLA being in the Big10.

Post: #68

(06-08-2024 12:54 AM)micahandme Wrote:

(06-08-2024 12:41 AM)Gitanole Wrote: Well, as long as it's the season...
What if these four schools are all off to the same P2 destination?

California
Clemson
Florida State
North Carolina

These are the schools that did not attend the ACC's Zoom meeting in which the conference held a retroactive vote to validate its NC lawsuit against Florida State.

The Cal Golden Bears are not in the Magnificent 7 group named last summer or even, yet, an ACC member school at all. The new affiliation is due to start on August 1.

The deadline for ACC schools to give notice of any intention to leave in 2025: August 15.

I would love to bite on this rumor...but Cal? C'mon. Cal?

If you inserted Stanford in there, I'd say it's about 50% more believable.

The only...and I mean, only, rationale for taking Cal is if you're somehow scheming to add Stanford and Notre Dame together as schools 23 and 24 (the Big Ten).

There's no way the SEC could be the conference adding those 4 schools...Cal as the lone school west of Texas? Eh. No.

Well, if you're the SEC you'd still have 4 more spots to fill before reaching 24. The geography doesn't look odd if you wend one or two of your last 4 invitations to schools in, say, Arizona.

Your coast-to-coast footprint sustains an athletic personality geared to warm-weather sports. You've got more time zones involved now for TV. And if not every school you add here is a traditional football monster, maybe some of your current members are OK with that at this point.

Cal, for its part, carries the public-school flag for the Golden State in the SEC. Solo. No getting lost in the crowd. And now the school has revenues enough to build again toward its ambitions.

(This post was last modified: 06-08-2024 05:35 AM by Gitanole.)

Post: #69

(06-08-2024 12:33 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:

(06-07-2024 08:39 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:

(06-07-2024 07:50 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote: [quote='PeteTheChop' pid='19625249' dateline='1717763211']
Miami was Indy for so long so I don't see the ACC fit other than playing old Big East schools.

Frankenconferences are seldom a good fit for more than just a few members. Basically a bunch of hermit crabs looking for a shell.

SEC would be by far the best option for the Canes, but it's not hard to recognize why Sankey would pass

I'm not so sure about that.

Miami is still a solid ratings generating program despite the lack of overall success. The Miami metro is still one of the largest in the country and they will engage with the Canes whenever they're decent. I'm with JR on this one...having all 3 FL schools in the same league creates some major TV battles reminiscent of the 80s and 90s games that were must-see TV. That and I can't look past the idea of the Magnificent Seven. There's a reason those schools were cooperating and there's a reason the story got out even if most everyone has gone quiet since that time.

The debate for me is the 8th school to accompany the Mag 7 and the timing, of course.

I still maintain it's in the best interest of the SEC, the Magnificent 7, ESPN, Kansas, and the Big 12 for the Magnificent 7 and Kansas to go together to the SEC.

The losers in this scenario are the Big Ten and the remnants of the ACC that don't get picked up by the Big 12. But the Big 12 can go to 20 in this scenario by picking through their choice of ACC leftovers, which solidifies them as the #3 conference.

Post: #70

(06-08-2024 04:48 AM)Jhawkinva Wrote:

(06-08-2024 12:33 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:

(06-07-2024 08:39 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:

(06-07-2024 07:50 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote: [quote='PeteTheChop' pid='19625249' dateline='1717763211']
Miami was Indy for so long so I don't see the ACC fit other than playing old Big East schools.

Frankenconferences are seldom a good fit for more than just a few members. Basically a bunch of hermit crabs looking for a shell.

SEC would be by far the best option for the Canes, but it's not hard to recognize why Sankey would pass

I'm not so sure about that.

Miami is still a solid ratings generating program despite the lack of overall success. The Miami metro is still one of the largest in the country and they will engage with the Canes whenever they're decent. I'm with JR on this one...having all 3 FL schools in the same league creates some major TV battles reminiscent of the 80s and 90s games that were must-see TV. That and I can't look past the idea of the Magnificent Seven. There's a reason those schools were cooperating and there's a reason the story got out even if most everyone has gone quiet since that time.

The debate for me is the 8th school to accompany the Mag 7 and the timing, of course.

I still maintain it's in the best interest of the SEC, the Magnificent 7, ESPN, Kansas, and the Big 12 for the Magnificent 7 and Kansas to go together to the SEC.

The losers in this scenario are the Big Ten

and the remnants of the ACC that don't get picked up by the Big 12. But the Big 12 can go to 20 in this scenario by picking through their choice of ACC leftovers, which solidifies them as the #3 conference.

That is a very short sighted approach.

If the P2 is going to command college athletics and with it promised riches, it is necessary for the B1G and the SEC to be on par.
The really big money will come only if those entities are competitive with each other. If the M7 move as a unit to either P2, it would shift the balance.
Either the Big 12 and the ACC have to be enriched or the value of the ACC will have to be divided and allocated to both the B1G and the SEC to build conferences with similar resources.
If one becomes stronger that the other we'll have collapse instead of growth.

Post: #71

For a school as supposedly cash-strapped as Berkeley is, not joining in on action against two schools you could call conference-mates in the future makes more sense than making new enemies with schools three time zones away that you know you never wanted to be with in the first place. Stanford shouldn't have indulged, but, seems on-brand for those stiffs.

As for 2024 bombshells...I don't think this is a "bombshell," per se, but, count me as surprised that there haven't been more D1 schools dropping down to D2 or D3 with NIL, transfer portals, and the general costs of doing athletic business yet. I would have thought we'd have another school announcing a drop-down by now, quite honestly.

Post: #72

(06-08-2024 12:33 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:

(06-07-2024 08:39 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:

(06-07-2024 07:50 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote: [quote='PeteTheChop' pid='19625249' dateline='1717763211']
Miami was Indy for so long so I don't see the ACC fit other than playing old Big East schools.

Frankenconferences are seldom a good fit for more than just a few members. Basically a bunch of hermit crabs looking for a shell.

SEC would be by far the best option for the Canes, but it's not hard to recognize why Sankey would pass

I'm not so sure about that.

Miami is still a solid ratings generating program despite the lack of overall success. The Miami metro is still one of the largest in the country and they will engage with the Canes whenever they're decent. I'm with JR on this one...having all 3 FL schools in the same league creates some major TV battles reminiscent of the 80s and 90s games that were must-see TV. That and I can't look past the idea of the Magnificent Seven. There's a reason those schools were cooperating and there's a reason the story got out even if most everyone has gone quiet since that time.

The debate for me is the 8th school to accompany the Mag 7 and the timing, of course.

They did. In fact, four of them signed off on lawsuits against two of them.

Post: #73

Post: #74

(06-07-2024 06:35 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote: Realignment wise it doesn’t seem so unless it has something to do with FSU/Clemson getting out from the ACC.

I believe realignment is done until the lawsuits are finalized (seems a few years away) and the next round of BIG Ten TV deals (which is 2028ish)

Post: #75

(06-08-2024 08:00 AM)goodknightfl Wrote: Yes there will be a summer bombshell, but it may well be a dud.

I mean, the biggest things I can think of beyond the ACC suits and D1 schools dropping levels would be more FCS movement to C-USA or MAC, progress on the PAC-2/MWC, Big East expansion, and Gonzaga's place in either of those. I don't know if Villanova football joining Patriot is anything; or even W&M leaving for Patriot or SoCon.

Post: #76

(06-08-2024 04:48 AM)Jhawkinva Wrote:

(06-08-2024 12:33 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:

(06-07-2024 08:39 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:

(06-07-2024 07:50 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote: [quote='PeteTheChop' pid='19625249' dateline='1717763211']
Miami was Indy for so long so I don't see the ACC fit other than playing old Big East schools.

Frankenconferences are seldom a good fit for more than just a few members. Basically a bunch of hermit crabs looking for a shell.

SEC would be by far the best option for the Canes, but it's not hard to recognize why Sankey would pass

I'm not so sure about that.

Miami is still a solid ratings generating program despite the lack of overall success. The Miami metro is still one of the largest in the country and they will engage with the Canes whenever they're decent. I'm with JR on this one...having all 3 FL schools in the same league creates some major TV battles reminiscent of the 80s and 90s games that were must-see TV. That and I can't look past the idea of the Magnificent Seven. There's a reason those schools were cooperating and there's a reason the story got out even if most everyone has gone quiet since that time.

The debate for me is the 8th school to accompany the Mag 7 and the timing, of course.

I still maintain it's in the best interest of the SEC, the Magnificent 7, ESPN, Kansas, and the Big 12 for the Magnificent 7 and Kansas to go together to the SEC.

The losers in this scenario are the Big Ten and the remnants of the ACC that don't get picked up by the Big 12. But the Big 12 can go to 20 in this scenario by picking through their choice of ACC leftovers, which solidifies them as the #3 conference.

I think its in everyone's best interests to stop at 18 or 20. You cease being a conference. The top schools will lose more and the middle schools will look more like Vanderbilt.

Post: #77

(06-08-2024 07:57 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote: For a school as supposedly cash-strapped as Berkeley is, not joining in on action against two schools you could call conference-mates in the future makes more sense than making new enemies with schools three time zones away that you know you never wanted to be with in the first place. Stanford shouldn't have indulged, but, seems on-brand for those stiffs.

As for 2024 bombshells...I don't think this is a "bombshell," per se, but, count me as surprised that there haven't been more D1 schools dropping down to D2 or D3 with NIL, transfer portals, and the general costs of doing athletic business yet. I would have thought we'd have another school announcing a drop-down by now, quite honestly.

House is going to take months to get finalized. And the other lawsuit is still out there.
They are going to wait and see what it all means. A lot of Division III, II and I-AAA are still in the denial stage. For that matter, FBS thinking this doesn't mean employee status are in the denial stage.

Post: #78

(06-08-2024 09:58 AM)bullet Wrote:

(06-08-2024 04:48 AM)Jhawkinva Wrote:

(06-08-2024 12:33 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:

(06-07-2024 08:39 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:

(06-07-2024 07:50 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote: [quote='PeteTheChop' pid='19625249' dateline='1717763211']
Miami was Indy for so long so I don't see the ACC fit other than playing old Big East schools.

Frankenconferences are seldom a good fit for more than just a few members. Basically a bunch of hermit crabs looking for a shell.

SEC would be by far the best option for the Canes, but it's not hard to recognize why Sankey would pass

I'm not so sure about that.

Miami is still a solid ratings generating program despite the lack of overall success. The Miami metro is still one of the largest in the country and they will engage with the Canes whenever they're decent. I'm with JR on this one...having all 3 FL schools in the same league creates some major TV battles reminiscent of the 80s and 90s games that were must-see TV. That and I can't look past the idea of the Magnificent Seven. There's a reason those schools were cooperating and there's a reason the story got out even if most everyone has gone quiet since that time.

The debate for me is the 8th school to accompany the Mag 7 and the timing, of course.

I still maintain it's in the best interest of the SEC, the Magnificent 7, ESPN, Kansas, and the Big 12 for the Magnificent 7 and Kansas to go together to the SEC.

The losers in this scenario are the Big Ten and the remnants of the ACC that don't get picked up by the Big 12. But the Big 12 can go to 20 in this scenario by picking through their choice of ACC leftovers, which solidifies them as the #3 conference.

I think its in everyone's best interests to stop at 18 or 20. You cease being a conference. The top schools will lose more and the middle schools will look more like Vanderbilt.

I believe that ESPN will actually stop the SEC at 16.
It's entirely possible that ESPN will move Florida State into the SEC (and continue to pay them only ACC wages until 2036), while at the same time moving Vanderbilt into the ACC (and continue paying them SEC wages until the new SEC contract).
FSU gets to fill up their stadium, and the ACC gets ACCN revenue from Tennessee. Vandy already has series scheduled with VT, NC State, SMU, and Stanford.

ESPN's spending does not increase while their earnings increase. FSU gets to leave the ACC, while Vanderbilt will have an opportunity to grow their athletic department and experience increased success. Everybody's earnings increase, or at the worst do not decrease.

Post: #79

(06-07-2024 06:15 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:

(06-07-2024 03:41 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote: How about something not mentioned here yet, but could end up being a next summer thing. PAC survives and adds 6-8 teams from the MWC/AAC as the 6th group conference.

Well, they would not have a vote. It would be interesting to see if the G5 allows them any cut of the CPF money.

Wilner believes its likely. Betting lines on expansion are (https://bookies.com/college-football/pic...-team-odds)

Code:

PlayerOdds
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San Diego State+250
Colorado State +300
UNLV +350
No Expansion/Pac-12 Disbands+300
Boise State+400
Fresno State +650
UT-San Antonio +750
New Mexico +850
San Jose State+1000
Air Force +1200
Utah State+1200
Tulane+1300
North Texas +1400
Nevada+1500
Wyoming +1750
Hawaii+2000

I'm in the Pac-12 disbands camp, a they lack a major media backer to pull off the strategy.

Up to the date they imploded Wilner was still saying that the PAC contract would be much better than the BIG XIIs.

Post: #80

(06-08-2024 01:06 AM)EdwordL Wrote:

(06-07-2024 06:10 PM)cubucks Wrote:

(06-07-2024 04:04 PM)JRsec Wrote:

(06-07-2024 03:31 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:

(06-07-2024 03:12 PM)JRsec Wrote: Lot's of spectacular claims the majority of which doesn't pass the procedural or legal sniff test, but the NFL?

B1G fans are oozing with confidence after celebrating their once-a-decade football championship in January.

Can you imagine how they'll be if the B1G ends a 25-year drought in men's basketball next April?

Ha! And they had to overlook Harbaugh's transgressions to get it. That's okay it keeps things interesting. As to next year, is Eady staying at Purdue?

Hey, I still like the troll angle I tossed out about the SEC taking USF and Miami so they can claim they are only taking AAU schools in Florida. Oh the irony!

It'll be Occam's razor again. The simplest most obvious moves could happen and then all eyes will be on UNC to see if it stops or explodes.

That's hilarious coming from an Auburn guy. The only thing funnier would be an LSU fan making that claim.

And that coming from a tOSU guy (anyone remember Tressel?)

And that's why this tOSU guy doesn't take jabs at others about certain topics. Maybe take time a read my posts before chiming in?

(This post was last modified: 06-08-2024 11:37 AM by cubucks.)